I was wondering if anyone else follows this show. I am pretty addicted and it has given me a new appreciation for other styles of dance?
So you think you can dance
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Ahm, here in Russia we have some show where some stars learn to dance... Does it have something to do with your show?
There's a show that plays here in the US, usually late spring/early summer, which has stars learning to dance. It's called Dancing with the Stars. I forget the name of the British version?PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
So You Think You Can Dance is another dance show - usually July/August which is basically a popularity contest where voters vote on their favorite dancer(s) who perform a (random) routine based on choreography from a professional.
You can probably find all sorts of clips from the show on YouTube using the abbreviation: SYTYCD
They usually lump the dancers into 3 categories: Hip Hop, Contemporary, and Ballroom. And they often are asked to dance (with a partner) a style that they don't know. And most of the salsa dancers that I know (myself included) like to blame the choreographers (namely Alex de Silva, a well known LA instructor/performer) for some of the poorer salsa routines. :wink:
Tj,
Alex can only do so much with the SYTYCD dancers. Most are not comfortable dancing in heels, they are not trained in latin styling, the partnered salsa (arm) moves are a new concept for them and they do not know how to execute rapid partnered turning. ...but the quick dancing in heels must be the most difficult for the dancers.
My 13 yr. old daughter with any of the many accomplished leads (that she has danced with) at the clubs would wow the audience with Alex's SYTYCD routines. (...of course, it's nothing you pros haven't seen, but I am sure Alex would have them do tougher material if he thought they could pull it off). ....some of the routines looked like Alex's intermediate class stuff. LOL
Alex has got a tough job....maybe when he gets Lacey we will see something special. (I was hoping Alex would get Lacey and Pasha...but that opportunity passed tonight).
..but I may be a bit biased. LOL
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Alex can only do so much with the SYTYCD dancers. Most are not comfortable dancing in heels, they are not trained in latin styling, the partnered salsa (arm) moves are a new concept for them and they do not know how to execute rapid partnered turning. ...but the quick dancing in heels must be the most difficult for the dancers.
My 13 yr. old daughter with any of the many accomplished leads (that she has danced with) at the clubs would wow the audience with Alex's SYTYCD routines. (...of course, it's nothing you pros haven't seen, but I am sure Alex would have them do tougher material if he thought they could pull it off). ....some of the routines looked like Alex's intermediate class stuff. LOL
Alex has got a tough job....maybe when he gets Lacey we will see something special. (I was hoping Alex would get Lacey and Pasha...but that opportunity passed tonight).
..but I may be a bit biased. LOL
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Brownskin818
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hi barrefly,
your rational might be plausible if the same dancers struggled as much with their other partnered genres, ballroom and swing. but they dont. im not sure if youve been to this site's sister forum, but on dance-forums.com there's a running tally of SYTYCD hits and misses and ADS has fared worse than his other partner-choreographing counterparts.
yes, i see your bias. and welcome to the forums!
your rational might be plausible if the same dancers struggled as much with their other partnered genres, ballroom and swing. but they dont. im not sure if youve been to this site's sister forum, but on dance-forums.com there's a running tally of SYTYCD hits and misses and ADS has fared worse than his other partner-choreographing counterparts.
yes, i see your bias. and welcome to the forums!
Hi again BrownSkin818...
Yes, I am aware of ADS's lack of popularity as a choreographer.
(I also still think he and Alien got shafted at the Mayan).
My guess is that any other salsa choreograper would realize the hopelessness of teaching these dancers salsa in 5.5. hrs and simply choreoghraph a psuedo-salsa routine (and we've seen many psuedo routines haven't we) that would win the audience over. Last years Black Mambo routine was psuedo with a lot of Benji's tricks from his swing dancing....and it blew the audience away.
We'll have to wait and see if Alex resort back to this stratagy.
added: Salsa is not like the waltz, foxtrot, quickstep, jive, or paso doble....a least not what I have seen on SYTYCD. The closest would be W.C. Swing....but what Benji choreo'ed was a psuedo W.C. Swing.
Search youtube for W.C. Swing Championships and you will see that there is no way any of the dancers, with the exception of the Schwimmer kids could pull anything close as this, off on SYTYCD.
Ballroom dancer's included.
one more darn add: I don't remember seeing a decent waltz yet on SYTYCD,...One would think the waltz is easy (at least I would),....but doing it properly is a SOB, requiring years of training.
last add: Wasn't it odd that Neil/Sabra did the death drop in their Paso Doble.....the same death drop Benji/Heidi did in their paso doble routine.
The same death drop Benji has used in his W.C. Swing comp. routines.....hmmm...will the death drop now be a standard paso doble trick....hmmmm again. Crazy mixed up dance world. LOL
Yes, I am aware of ADS's lack of popularity as a choreographer. (I also still think he and Alien got shafted at the Mayan).
My guess is that any other salsa choreograper would realize the hopelessness of teaching these dancers salsa in 5.5. hrs and simply choreoghraph a psuedo-salsa routine (and we've seen many psuedo routines haven't we) that would win the audience over. Last years Black Mambo routine was psuedo with a lot of Benji's tricks from his swing dancing....and it blew the audience away.
We'll have to wait and see if Alex resort back to this stratagy.
added: Salsa is not like the waltz, foxtrot, quickstep, jive, or paso doble....a least not what I have seen on SYTYCD. The closest would be W.C. Swing....but what Benji choreo'ed was a psuedo W.C. Swing.
Search youtube for W.C. Swing Championships and you will see that there is no way any of the dancers, with the exception of the Schwimmer kids could pull anything close as this, off on SYTYCD.
Ballroom dancer's included.
one more darn add: I don't remember seeing a decent waltz yet on SYTYCD,...One would think the waltz is easy (at least I would),....but doing it properly is a SOB, requiring years of training.
last add: Wasn't it odd that Neil/Sabra did the death drop in their Paso Doble.....the same death drop Benji/Heidi did in their paso doble routine.
The same death drop Benji has used in his W.C. Swing comp. routines.....hmmm...will the death drop now be a standard paso doble trick....hmmmm again. Crazy mixed up dance world. LOL
BrownSkin818,
Thankyou for the "Dance Forum" link.
It looks like a lot of info. I can glean for my "Lil munchkin's" benefit.
Also, thankyou very much for your kind words about Missy on salseroweb.
Looking at your avatar, I remember you also,....you are a very excellent and obviously experienced dancer. Sorry if I come of like a know-it-all, (I can't dance a lick), I am just an avid dance affecionado, but also I am a compulsive gabber.
Thankyou for the "Dance Forum" link.
It looks like a lot of info. I can glean for my "Lil munchkin's" benefit.
Also, thankyou very much for your kind words about Missy on salseroweb.
Looking at your avatar, I remember you also,....you are a very excellent and obviously experienced dancer. Sorry if I come of like a know-it-all, (I can't dance a lick), I am just an avid dance affecionado, but also I am a compulsive gabber.
Thanks, tj, I think I'll look for some clips on YouTube, but unfortunately we don't have such a show here... :?
barrefly said:
Well, ultimately, I'm just giving an opinion, of course. :wink: And I think I would rather see a pseudo-salsa routine rather than what we've been seeing so far.
And to be honest, considering how many possible salsa choregraphers there are to pick from in SoCal, I'd really like to see them give someone else a shot, just to see if someone else can do better.
(And of course, welcome to DF!)
One more time-- the producers of t.v. shows ( have worked with several ) are, as a rule, not interested in " authenticity " either in Music or content.
The name of the game on t.v.? -- Flash and Trash-- it SELLS !!
If that were not the case --the U.S. Championships, would have been televised live, many moons ago .
As we all know-- its relegated to PBS ! .
The name of the game on t.v.? -- Flash and Trash-- it SELLS !!
If that were not the case --the U.S. Championships, would have been televised live, many moons ago .
As we all know-- its relegated to PBS ! .
Oh God, those videos give me the shivers... That's just AWESOME :notworthy:tj said:
Terence2 said:
On the one hand, yes, I agree with you. Rather than letting the pros shine in their specialty, we watch dancers have to dance something that they only get 5-6 hours to learn.
But on the other hand, I'm pretty darn impressed with the job that they (the producers, judges, choreographers, and dancers) do. As well as the sheer athleticism of the top 20. And while there are problems and flaws in the show, it still does a good job of making us care about the dancers (by using the American Idol formula). And it's even rekindled interest in dancing...
No one is questioning the work ethic. Not even debatable.
The QUALITY of the music and the choices allowed, are most certainly up for dis agreement, as subjective as it may be -
Also -- I look at this from a Prof. viewpoint and position , than do you.
Would like to make it perfectly clear-- all of us in the pro. teaching ranks, are very grateful for ANY exposure-- good or bad !!
The QUALITY of the music and the choices allowed, are most certainly up for dis agreement, as subjective as it may be -
Also -- I look at this from a Prof. viewpoint and position , than do you.
Would like to make it perfectly clear-- all of us in the pro. teaching ranks, are very grateful for ANY exposure-- good or bad !!
I wonder if I can watch this somewhere...
It's probably available - but be forewarned that it's been playing for about 8-10 weeks with about 3 hours per week... that's somewhere between 20-30 hours there. :shock: Add in season two, and that's like 50-60 hours.PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
Would probably be easier for us fans who keep up with it to mention our fav routines. (hint, hint to the rest of you! :wink: )