Salsa Student
Son Montuno
Had a follow dip herself last night. As far as I can remember, I've only had this happen to me a couple of times before, how often is this happening to other leads?
Follows self dipping
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wildbill20056
Son Montuno
Depends how it's done.
As part of controlled hijacking, yep, and it's fine.
As part of people not knowing how to dip properly, yeah sure, you just have to brace yourself and at worst make it a controlled fall
As part of controlled hijacking, yep, and it's fine.
As part of people not knowing how to dip properly, yeah sure, you just have to brace yourself and at worst make it a controlled fall
As part of people not knowing how to dip properly, yeah sure, you just have to brace yourself and at worst make it a controlled fall
The controlled fall is better than having my back thrown out haha
Salsa Student
Son Montuno
The latter.
As part of people not knowing how to dip properly, yeah sure, you just have to brace yourself and at worst make it a controlled fall
Previously I've been able to catch them, this time all I was able to do was slow her down.
I happens every now and then, mostly with performers who don't social dance a lot. Or inexperienced beginners who think they are advanced or something. Last time for me was last Wednesday, the time before was a few months ago.
Luckily, nothing terrible ever actually happened except for me catching her and giving her a "are you crazy?" look. My many years roller blading experience teaching beginner who hang on to me at unexpected moments was a decisive factor ...
Luckily, nothing terrible ever actually happened except for me catching her and giving her a "are you crazy?" look. My many years roller blading experience teaching beginner who hang on to me at unexpected moments was a decisive factor ...
Jag75
Son Montuno
It definitely happens with less experienced follows, but with the caveat of WHERE they are learning to dance.
There are schools out there, who I won't mention names, that are seriously irresponsible when teaching students things such as dips etc. I personally went to one of these schools in my early days, and we learnt how to neck drop, no mention of only doing it at performances, and were encouraged to try it on the social floor!!!!
Whenever I dance with a student from one of these schools, not only do they have trouble following anything and are very heavy follows, they also throw themselves when dipped, pretty much ALL the time without exception. I initiate a dip and they throw themselves. If any mention was ever made of their need to learn properly (which I don't), they would become extremely irritable and defend their school to the end because loyalty is encouraged at that school.
They don't know what they don't know and don't wanna know.
Makes my blood boil!
There are schools out there, who I won't mention names, that are seriously irresponsible when teaching students things such as dips etc. I personally went to one of these schools in my early days, and we learnt how to neck drop, no mention of only doing it at performances, and were encouraged to try it on the social floor!!!!
Whenever I dance with a student from one of these schools, not only do they have trouble following anything and are very heavy follows, they also throw themselves when dipped, pretty much ALL the time without exception. I initiate a dip and they throw themselves. If any mention was ever made of their need to learn properly (which I don't), they would become extremely irritable and defend their school to the end because loyalty is encouraged at that school.
They don't know what they don't know and don't wanna know.
Makes my blood boil!
wildbill20056
Son Montuno
Jag, don't you think what you are describing are people who are taught to dip terribly badly?
I mean there's nothing wrong with showing people the correct technique for a neck dip ie don't throw yourself, stay in control of your descent and power your ascent.
Someone taught properly wouldn't throw themselves back, in fact, I would expect someone recently taught properly to simply dip shallowly, rather than risk anything too flashy.
I mean there's nothing wrong with showing people the correct technique for a neck dip ie don't throw yourself, stay in control of your descent and power your ascent.
Someone taught properly wouldn't throw themselves back, in fact, I would expect someone recently taught properly to simply dip shallowly, rather than risk anything too flashy.
Social floors tend to be quite crowded and lacking in space.
Thus performing dips can be quite hazardous; I have once seen a couple performing a "neck drop" that almost ended with the girl having a sharp high heel go across her face...
If you decide performing a dip, do consider spacial constraints, for the sake of your health!
Thus performing dips can be quite hazardous; I have once seen a couple performing a "neck drop" that almost ended with the girl having a sharp high heel go across her face...
If you decide performing a dip, do consider spacial constraints, for the sake of your health!
Yes, people please be careful!! A guy tried some fancy dip on a friend of mine on Saturday and gave her a concussion because he slammed her head into the dance floor >:|
toan-hoang
Son
For me it generally happens to students who are taught dips a lot, or spend too much time watching these reality dance shows. I find performers are more into their own personal styling, then doing a lot of dips, and it is generally the intermediates students that have this problem.
You can tell the ones that will dip themselves as they will normally throw themselves around with great enthusiasm and a massive smile, while being totally out of control...
You can tell the ones that will dip themselves as they will normally throw themselves around with great enthusiasm and a massive smile, while being totally out of control...
I've had it happen a few times, but it was always beginners or inexperienced dancers. They either dip themselves or mis-interpret abrupt/circular movements as being lead into a dip. Kinda the same way that they assume the slightest bit of lead = a turn.
Here are some things I teach my female students about dipping:
- Don't ever, eva-eva-eva-eva (think Smokey from "Friday") dip yourself. The guy you're dancing with needs to know when you're dipping, where, how low and how fast. If you dip yourself, he knows NONE of that.
- In fact, never think "dip." If you're being dipped properly, you'll be mid-dip by the time you realize it.
- Do not throw all your weight into it. The lead is supporting you from the waist up, but you are supporting yourself from the waist down. Except for some performance-style dips, you are never giving all your weight to the lead.
Here are some things I teach my female students about dipping:
- Don't ever, eva-eva-eva-eva (think Smokey from "Friday") dip yourself. The guy you're dancing with needs to know when you're dipping, where, how low and how fast. If you dip yourself, he knows NONE of that.
- In fact, never think "dip." If you're being dipped properly, you'll be mid-dip by the time you realize it.
- Do not throw all your weight into it. The lead is supporting you from the waist up, but you are supporting yourself from the waist down. Except for some performance-style dips, you are never giving all your weight to the lead.