Beginner's Corner

This is the place for all you newbies (lurking ones included :wink: )!

Do you have any issues/queries that you have been dying to put forward, but never knew when/where?

This is your chance to start picking our collective brain :wink: ......please go ahead!
 
Any beginners out there? :D

EDIT: Just for clarification. Decided to add the following for beginniners:
Salsa styles from Wikipedia.com

Cuban style
Cuban-style salsa can be danced either "on one" or "a contratiempo" ---the latter is often referred to as "on two". An essential element is the "cuba step" (also known as Guapea), where the leader does a backward basic on 1-2-3 and a forward basic on 5-6-7. The follower does the same, thereby mirroring the leader's movement. Another characteristic of this style is that in many patterns the leader and follower circle around each other.

The cross body lead is an essential step in this style too and is referred to as Dile que no. This move becomes essential in the more complex derivative of Cuban Casino leading to the many moves of Rueda, or wheel dance. Here multiple couples exchange partners and carry out moves syncronised by a caller.

Colombian style
This style is common in Latin-American countries. The leader and follower do most of the movements while standing in place. It stems from the Cuban style. As such in many patterns the leader and follower turn around each other, although not as much as in the Cuban style; in fact, in several parts of Colombia, salsa is danced with very limited or no turns at all.

Los Angeles style
This is a style of salsa much influenced by Hollywood and by the swing & mambo dances, thus being the most flashy style, which is considered "more show than dance" by many. The two essential elements of this dance are the forward/backward basic as described above, and the cross-body lead. In this pattern, the leader steps forward on 1, steps to the right on 2-3 while turning 90 degrees counter-clockwise (facing to the left). The follower then steps forward on 5-6, and turns on 7-8, while the leader makes another 90 degrees counter-clockwise. After these 8 counts, the leader and follower have exchanged their positions.

New York style or Eddie Torres style
The "NY Style" is a combination of the "On 1" and "On 2" systems. The timing of the steps are on the 1-2-3,5-6-7 as in "On 1" but the breaks (where the body changes direction) occur on the 2 and 6 as in "On 2". NY instructor Eddie Torres developed this step pattern around the late '70s and the '80s, and its definition is quite clear as he is still alive and his followers are keen to keep the style intact. This is their description of the step: Description of "On Two" on salsanewyork.com There are many "socials" in NYC or nightclubs that dedicate on playing only mambo or salsa.

Power 2 / Palladium 2 / Ballroom Mambo
This style is similar to Los-Angeles style, but it is danced "On Two". The basic step timing is 2-3-4,6-7-8 with the breaks on 2 and 6.

It is important to note that although this style is also known as dancing "En Clave", the name is not implying that the step timing should follow the rhythm of the Clave as in 2-3 or 3-2. It only means that you take the first step (and break) on the second beat of the measure.

On Clave
This does indeed follow the 2-3 or 3-2 pattern of the clave, e.g. for the 2-3 clave the leader steps forward with the left on 2 and with the right on 3, then does the other 4 steps of the basic on 5-8 (syncronizing with the clave on 5 and 8 ). It's a traditional form and it's less known/used outside some Latin countries.

Puerto Rican style
This style can be danced as "On One" or "On Two". If danced as "On Two", it is always danced on count 2, and not on count 6 as in Ladies-style NY.

Casino Rueda style
Main article: Rueda de Casino. In the 1950s Salsa Rueda (Rueda de Casino) was developed in Havana, Cuba. Pairs of dancers form a circle (Rueda in Spanish), with dance moves called out by one person. Many of the moves involve rapidly swapping partners.
 
A Good Link for Beginners

dancefreak.com/stories/images/learning_curve.jpg

Since I just posted this on another thread I thought I'd be helpful here.
 
Thanks for posting the link AS! Yes, it is important for beginners to know that quite often leaders and follows learn at different rates. So yes, especially in the beginning phases, some patience is required for both leaders and follows. :D
 
Where am I and how did I get here?

:D :lol: :lol:

Well I guess have been here before - sometime. But the funny thing is that I didn't find my way back again. Today when I posted a new text at DF I found the link again.

I must ask - what is the purpose of this forum?
It seems to be the same people here as at DF (which is great :D ) . Some the topics seems to differ a bit. Like the Salsa Videocuts. (also great :D)

Is it the same server?
Is it sponsored by same companies or private persons?

Is this special corner of DF - for salsa addicted - or what?

/lucretia
 
lucretia said:
Where am I and how did I get here?

:D :lol: :lol:

Well I guess have been here before - sometime. But the funny thing is that I didn't find my way back again. Today when I posted a new text at DF I found the link again.

I must ask - what is the purpose of this forum?
It seems to be the same people here as at DF (which is great :D ) . Some the topics seems to differ a bit. Like the Salsa Videocuts. (also great :D)

Is it the same server?
Is it sponsored by same companies or private persons?

Is this special corner of DF - for salsa addicted - or what?
/lucretia
I kind of had the same question... Dance Forums seems to have much more members and posts, so I was wondering why the "duplication"? Checking both forums is a bit of a hustle...
 
salsachinita said:
This is the place for all you newbies (lurking ones included :wink: )!

Do you have any issues/queries that you have been dying to put forward, but never knew when/where?

This is your chance to start picking our collective brain :wink: ......please go ahead!

Any beginners have questions about Salsa dancing? :wink:
 
At a private yesterday, I've received a feedback that my "under arm turn" is in fact done more like a spin. My problem seems to lie on the fact that I don't distinctive steps on 5, 6, 7.

What I have trouble is that when turning, a follower does spin a little on 6 - how do i make it look more like a turn? Can anyone please break down the steps involved for a turn? Say the turn is a very slow one, am I still suppose to spot when turning? I've briefly had a look at the discussions in the dance-forums.com, but most of the discussion seem to be about spins... Thanks in advance!
 
OK, there are several different versions of this, but here's one to try out. The leader should have prepared you to turn by raising his hand by the end of the 4, right? OK, so, on the 5, step your left foot diagonally forward and across to your right. On the 6 do not move your feet but pivot your torso around to your right so that your body weight is now on your right foot (you should basically now be facing diagonally the same direction as the leader.) On the 7 continue rotating your torso to the right, coming back to face the leader and replacing weight on your left foot (so ready to step back on your right on the 1).

HTH

[Note: This exact same footwork can be done in various alignments, i.e. directly towards and then away from and then back towards the leader, or directly across to the side and back and the towards the leader as well.] [/i]
 
hopelessly_addicted said:
At a private yesterday, I've received a feedback that my "under arm turn" is in fact done more like a spin. My problem seems to lie on the fact that I don't distinctive steps on 5, 6, 7.

Are you "anticipating" a spin? What kind of signal are you getting from your lead? As long as your not moving ahead of your lead and the lead gives the correct signal, then I think your right with the above. You need to keep your feet to the ground so to speak and pivot on your 5, 6, 7 beats. I hope this helps. Anyone else? :)
 
peachexploration said:
Are you "anticipating" a spin? What kind of signal are you getting from your lead? As long as your not moving ahead of your lead and the lead gives the correct signal, then I think your right with the above. You need to keep your feet to the ground so to speak and pivot on your 5, 6, 7 beats. I hope this helps. Anyone else? :)

I try my best not to back-lead.. could you please elaborate on what you meant by pivotting on my 5, 6, 7 beats?? I would have thought that if I pivot at all when turning, I'd only do it on the 6th beat..
 
peachexploration said:
HA, do you dance on1 or on2? on1, first step for the turn would be on the five beat and on2, first step for the turn would be on the six beat. :)

oh i see.. so you meant depending on whether I danace on1 or on2, I'd be stepping on different beat when turning.. I dance on1 Peache :D
 
Okay, I thought you dance on1 but wasn't sure. :) I think you're right in your assessment from the beginning though. When doing a right turn, you have to remember to "step" on those 5,6,7 counts so you're on the right track. :)
 
SDsalsaguy said:
on the 5, step your left foot diagonally forward and across to your right.
So is my left foot stepping across in 2 o'clock direction?

SDsalsaguy said:
On the 6 do not move your feet but pivot your torso around to your right so that your body weight is now on your right foot (you should basically now be facing diagonally the same direction as the leader.)
So I'm not really spotting like I do when spinning (always facing the leader).... I've just tried turning a few times on 5, 6, 7 having your advice in mind, I feel increasingly dizzy but I guess it doesn't matter because I wouldn't have to do turns continuously :)

SDsalsaguy said:
On the 7 continue rotating your torso to the right, coming back to face the leader and replacing weight on your left foot (so ready to step back on your right on the 1).
Your advice to rotate torso when turning is really helpful! I've focused more on pivotting on the ball of my right foot that I've kinda forgotten about it.

Sorry for being pedantic here, but when I'm rotating my torso, is it like spinning where you try to spin with your shoulders leading the movement or do I use my stomach muscles to rotate or both?

It seems like nothing comes easily for me - not even a simple under arm turn :oops: Really embarrassing that I've been doing a spin rather than a turn..
 
peachexploration said:
Okay, I thought you dance on1 but wasn't sure. :) I think you're right in your assessment from the beginning though. When doing a right turn, you have to remember to "step" on those 5,6,7 counts so you're on the right track. :)

Thanks Peache! :) Yeah.. so I'd have to step, step, step on 5, 6, 7 rather than step, pivot, step which is what I used to do... I'm on the right track in my head. Now, I'd have to make sure that my body is also on the right track :shock: :lol:
 
hopelessly_addicted said:
SDsalsaguy said:
on the 5, step your left foot diagonally forward and across to your right.
So is my left foot stepping across in 2 o'clock direction?
That's correct 1 or 2 (although the same idea works stepping to either 12 or 3 o'clock as well).

hopelessly_addicted said:
SDsalsaguy said:
On the 6 do not move your feet but pivot your torso around to your right so that your body weight is now on your right foot (you should basically now be facing diagonally the same direction as the leader.)
So I'm not really spotting like I do when spinning (always facing the leader).... I've just tried turning a few times on 5, 6, 7 having your advice in mind, I feel increasingly dizzy but I guess it doesn't matter because I wouldn't have to do turns continuously :)
Correct, the spotting would be different. For a simple walk around turn many people don't spot, but that doesn't mean you can't. The only difference would be that you'd keep your eye on the leader on the 5 and as long as you can as you rotate and step on the 6, coming around at the end of the 6 and already being in place on the 7. Alternatively, it can be done as a 2 point spot, staying with the leader on 5 and coming back to the leader on 7, but picking up something else across from the leader on the 6. Just keep in mind that any spotting is going to provide at least a little bit of the spin look/feel (vs. just a walk around turn).

hopelessly_addicted said:
SDsalsaguy said:
On the 7 continue rotating your torso to the right, coming back to face the leader and replacing weight on your left foot (so ready to step back on your right on the 1).
Your advice to rotate torso when turning is really helpful! I've focused more on pivotting on the ball of my right foot that I've kinda forgotten about it.
Glad to be of help!

hopelessly_addicted said:
Sorry for being pedantic here, but when I'm rotating my torso, is it like spinning where you try to spin with your shoulders leading the movement or do I use my stomach muscles to rotate or both?
Hmmm, I've never really thought about it like that, at least not for a simple walk around turn. I've always found the key to be making sure that all ten toes are always facing in the same direction -- especially as pivoting and shifting weight from the left foot on the 5 back onto the right foot on the 6. Does that provide any help?

hopelessly_addicted said:
It seems like nothing comes easily for me - not even a simple under arm turn :oops: Really embarrassing that I've been doing a spin rather than a turn..
You've got nothing to be embarassed about h_a, it took me months just to find the "1" :oops:
 
It actually is a pivot step BUT ignore the word pivot. I think its throwing you off. Just concentrate on your footwork for now until you can get a better handle on it. :D

Watch the follows footwork here :arrow: bustamove.com/cgi-bin/scripts/free.pl?d=salsa&m=3
 
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